what we are facing is not simply the debt ceiling. what we are facing is the sequestration, the automatic cuts of a trillion dollars over 10 years, which many republicans are seeing a willingness, expressing willingness to let set in at the end of march, and that will mean another fight and struggle. all this will unfold in probably six months. i think he is in a good position to fight for the next six months. >> there was an interesting and little noticed thing this week. economic members in britain came out, where they have had a very tough austerity program. now they are possibly entering into a triple dip recession. it is an example, perhaps, of too much austerity. franceay be an example of too much non-austerity. but if we go through sequester, people will see what those cuts mean. i think there would be a rebellion over it. >> you could hardly accuse the united states of indulging too much in austerity. we have added $5 trillion in debt. >> i am not saying that. i am saying that what we have at this moment is a decision of how m